tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30970998.post2491167546127901384..comments2024-02-28T12:28:01.924+00:00Comments on Dr.Whisky: A Clearach and Present DangerDr. Whiskyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07544150288363636301noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30970998.post-41135368290614120532010-09-14T15:15:56.898+00:002010-09-14T15:15:56.898+00:00hey sam,
i don't know what the fuss is all ab...hey sam,<br /><br />i don't know what the fuss is all about... we see increasing numbers of whiskies, from scotland no less, with no age statement... so why not new make spirit? I tried the tuthilltown new make 100% corn spirit, and i was truly amazed.<br />the 'what does john know' spot on super accelerated aging shows there is a drive to bring more to market... the industry has been toying with such ideas for years. I, too, am experimenting with my own patent pending processes.<br />Rick wasmund also sells new make spirit with a mini-barrel for consumers to age themselves.<br /><br />l'chaim (and shanah tova),<br /><br />joe h (whisky farm)Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15314207107849872298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30970998.post-16595716499864375252010-07-11T16:51:24.224+00:002010-07-11T16:51:24.224+00:00I think there's a wee market for newmake and a...I think there's a wee market for newmake and a few distilleries are just selling what the customers want. I don't think this will ever be a big seller, I am for sure not gonna buy a bottle (I prefer older stuff), and I am not really aware of anyone who bought this. They might have but not been telling me about it<br />Anyone ever heard of anyone buying 2 different kind of newmakes ?Steffenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09214829298998129214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30970998.post-42174689570467608982010-06-29T06:00:32.162+00:002010-06-29T06:00:32.162+00:00Ein wirklich sehr schöner Whisky. Bin begeistert.Ein wirklich sehr schöner Whisky. Bin begeistert.TOmhttp://www.rumundco.denoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30970998.post-63298082423673500092010-06-10T17:36:53.673+00:002010-06-10T17:36:53.673+00:00Have you tried Dry Fly Whiskey yet?
I painted a pi...Have you tried Dry Fly Whiskey yet?<br />I painted a picture of the bottle and am curious to get my hands on some. I'll be painting more bottle shorty if you want to check them out.<br />http://stridart.blogspot.com/2010/06/dry-fly-whiskey-washington-wheat.htmlStridArthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04397873264025338256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30970998.post-17269618580827065292010-06-06T18:15:44.437+00:002010-06-06T18:15:44.437+00:00I wholehartedly agree with the Doc. On one hand, I...I wholehartedly agree with the Doc. On one hand, I think tasting newmake is a very interesting experience and can tell you a lot about the distillery. But selling bottles at the price of a decent aged malt is just not justifyiable. I'm not talking about startups like Kilchoman here because they have to look at ways to generate cashflow until the real stuff is ready for consumption.Oliver Klimekhttp://www.whisky-rating.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30970998.post-83746531822918155252010-05-18T14:01:14.295+00:002010-05-18T14:01:14.295+00:00There is a tax difference.
HP NMS is 50% ABV, stan...There is a tax difference.<br />HP NMS is 50% ABV, standard 12 is 40%<br />Leaving aside low-run packaging and marketing cost of the project, tax is easy to work out.<br /> <br />40% ABV = £6.66 duty x 23% retailer profit x 17.5% VAT = £10.17<br />50% ABV = £8.33 duty x 23% retailer profit x 17.5% VAT = £12.72<br />23% is about the smallest retailer profit you'll see in the UK so in reality differential could be a bit higher.<br /><br />BTW, hadn't really looked at the links and didn't realise most of this refers to Bourbon distilleries. Would be really interested in trying them.<br /><br />I like the fact that 'normal' people get to try unaged spirit. If you spend lots of time at Festivals and tastings its easy to forget that there are lots of massive whisky fans who spend a lot of time enjoying the stuff at home but don't have desire/time to hang with the maltogeeks.Arthurhttp://www.royalmilewhiskies.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30970998.post-13368151834236285462010-05-17T22:33:43.314+00:002010-05-17T22:33:43.314+00:00haha... mood ring.
No formal arguement here, jus...haha... mood ring. <br /><br />No formal arguement here, just a general whine that sloppily expresses my hope that the marketplace doesn't encourage this trend any further, that is all. <br /><br />And Arthur, I totally understand the commercial context for pricing but tax is the exact same on a new spirit as it is on a 12 year old spirit and while an increase in the margin on the new spirit may be understood (packaging, limited run, etc., charging twice as much is a bit bonkers. In fact, it works against the core quality cue that single malt has worked for decades, arguably centuries, to achieve.Dr. Whiskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07544150288363636301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30970998.post-54055836251244853642010-05-17T16:48:28.197+00:002010-05-17T16:48:28.197+00:00Red_Arremer here,
I like gin a lot so I have no p...Red_Arremer here,<br /><br />I like gin a lot so I have no problem with unaged spirits. But I agree with you on basically every point you're making.<br /><br />The real issue is that, since premium vodka took off, 70$ 15 year old scotch all of a sudden looks like a bad investment.<br /><br />I think the thing to do is turn vodka people on to drinks, which have higher production costs ;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30970998.post-54985537169255654682010-05-17T13:18:45.757+00:002010-05-17T13:18:45.757+00:00Fair arguments Doc but...
- being able to try the ...Fair arguments Doc but...<br />- being able to try the NMS of a distillery is an essential learning experience for the malthead.<br />- silly packaged products aside (where price is inflated because of box etc) distillers haven't been making THAT much money from the unaged spirits so far. NMS products emphasise how much of the retail price of an aged malt is tax and other costs (try making anything look cheap when nearly £10 of cost is tax before margin!). They're only able to sell 10 yr old single malt at approx £25 because of huge investment in stock over many years of cycles of cash flow. Just ask a distiller like Kilchoman if their 3 year old single malt is cheap at below £50! You might think not, but they're prob making a thumping loss at this stage.<br />Arthur, Royal Mile WhiskiesUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04506371541428358965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30970998.post-53011831858546485412010-05-16T23:19:46.821+00:002010-05-16T23:19:46.821+00:00I totally agree with your view that this is unfort...I totally agree with your view that this is unfortunate, lucrative opportunism being practised by many distilleries. Highland Park? I would thought they would have known better, but lately, I think they are getting a little too big for their britches.<br /><br />Anyway, it is a fad that will hopefully go the same way as the mood ring.Jason Deblyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13305087714773608306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30970998.post-51489138926444830662010-05-13T02:50:04.855+00:002010-05-13T02:50:04.855+00:00Hi Tim,
I don't think there's a market f...Hi Tim, <br /><br />I don't think there's a market for new make as a pleasurable drinking experience the way there is for aged single malt. And my guess is that part of the pricing is a) because they can and b) to save themselves from the claim that they're endorsing irresponsible drinking.<br /><br />Over the course of a single year I don't see myself purchasing a case of, say, Highland Park new make the way I do Laphroaig 10 Year Old or Laphroaig 10 cask strength. One bottle of new make, from any distillery, and I'm kind of done with it. I don't think distilleries will ever be able to support themselves on the back of new make sales.<br /><br />Does that make sense?<br /><br />Cheers,<br />JasonJason JYhttp://www.guidscotchdrink.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30970998.post-8057638320208341152010-05-11T08:33:19.348+00:002010-05-11T08:33:19.348+00:00Fair point, Jason - but just to play devil's a...Fair point, Jason - but just to play devil's advocate, why should distilleries bother ageing whisky at all if they can sell new make for more money?Tim Fhttp://blog.thewhiskyexchange.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30970998.post-55725089274039907972010-05-10T19:13:03.538+00:002010-05-10T19:13:03.538+00:00Sam, I don't understand your principal argumen...Sam, I don't understand your principal argument here. Is it that new make spirit ought not be available to the public because it doesn't represent a distillery's product particularly well or that new make spirit ought not be sold for such exorbitant prices?<br /><br />As I wrote on Guid Scotch Drink back in March I think this move towards making new make available is terrific (if you're in the business of tasting and demonstrating, as you rightly point out, just how important cask maturation is). I don't think it ought to be sold in full size bottles as I don't think the purpose of this is to relax with it at the end of a hard day. I think a 25cl or 35cl bottle priced around 10 or 15 GBP would make for a fine purchase (for the purposes mentioned above).<br /><br />Cheers,<br />JasonJason JYhttp://www.guidscotchdrink.comnoreply@blogger.com